"How to Nail Every Audition: Acting Secrets You Need to Know | Exclusive with Martyn Spendlove

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_01]: If I'm one of 10 actors who is doing this sort of stuff, I'm going to be the one that's most prepared and I'm ready to do this audition. I don't want to leave any question in the casting director or the filmmaker's mind that I haven't done the work in the first time. They're going to reject me because I don't look right, not because I've not done the work.

[00:00:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I think an actor has to have good quality questions. And I think as Tony Robbins said, if you want better results, learn how to ask better questions. That's an art form in itself. So I think you've got to know who, what, why, when, where, how.

[00:00:28] [SPEAKER_01]: You've got to know, yeah, you've got to, you've got to know who this person is connected to, who brought them up, who their friends were when they were young, where they grew up, what their responsibilities are now and what they've learned in order to become the person they've become. So you're having good quality questions that you can ask throughout that then you can provide answers for if it's not in the text. Us as actors, we've got to create that even if it's not real. So the thought that creeps into your mind that says, Hey, do you know what? You need to get a job.

[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.

[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Just, just like just any job, but then that demotivates you because then you think, well, what kind of job can I get? Because all I'm good at is acting. All I want to do is acting. All I want to do is be on stage and be a performer. So, so I kind of fell into, into the trap of, well, what else do I do?

[00:01:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Hey everyone. Welcome or welcome back to create your ears.

[00:01:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I am Ajay Tambe, the host and producer of the show. And today I have with me the wonderful artist from the UK. His name is Martin Spenlau.

[00:01:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And the very best part of him is he just won an award for making a 48 hour limited time based short film that he produced. He made it, he brought all the actors and I don't know how he made it.

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_02]: But within that 48 hours, that part of the limitation, you know, that we have to make everything happen and then it should look good and it should happen. And this guy really did it and won the award.

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_02]: He beat in that six films who were competitors with him and then won the award.

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I just watched the film and I was like, wow, you guys did it in this. This is really good. The edit, the cut, the way, the female character also who was telling all about, you know, how to kill a man or how to make him suffer was really amazing.

[00:02:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And also, one more thing about Martin is he was playing a part in the Hindi Bollywood movie, which was starring Ajay Devgan, Shaitan, that I read on Spotlight.

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I was confused like Shaitan, Shaitan, because once you change the language, you know, once you change the country, the word sounds really different.

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_02]: So where we call it Shaitan and it was like, I thought, okay, it's something.

[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Then I went on IMDB and I thought, what? It was Shaitan. And then I went, wow, I need to know about this.

[00:02:44] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot to know about this guy. You know, he is really excellent in what he does.

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_02]: He is multi-talented. He is doing a lot of things, acting, writing, you know, making, producing films and being a part of it.

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And also his training part was really good with the acting academy.

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_02]: He did a lot of courses, making sure that he is perfect in all the parts that actors should be, making sure that he isn't perfect.

[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And to explore more, before we jump on all about and I talk more about Martin.

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Martin, welcome to the show.

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Hello, Ajay. Thank you for having me. Really, really a pleasure to be here.

[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And yes, I'm excited to talk about all of those things and more in this morning.

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_01]: How much time have we got? Maybe you only got an hour?

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's see what we can do in an hour, shall we?

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep, yep, yep. Sure, sure.

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_02]: So, first of all, before we start, I'd like to thank Vela Woznak acting agency where the agency where we got connected.

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Special thanks to those guys.

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, she, Glynis, Glynis connected us.

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And special thanks to Cassandra.

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Big shout out to her acting talent agency, you know.

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_02]: That's how we connected and we are doing this interview.

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_02]: So, thank you, Glynis.

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, Vela Woznak.

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_02]: It's good.

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Big thank you to connect both of us.

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, we jump on.

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Martin, what's the schedule for you for 2024 related to, you know, films, writing, filmmaking?

[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I heard about this film that you produced, the example.

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_02]: But what's the schedule for you looks like in 2024 now?

[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_01]: The schedule for the rest of 2024?

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I've just finished writing a feature film script.

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_01]: So, I'm in the process of going through the next draft.

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_01]: This is something that's linked very closely to life.

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you're always hearing right what you know.

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_01]: And this is something related to my previous exploration into the music industry, musician and band, and how that would be as somebody who's only just in his 40s now.

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And wondering whether that could be something that my age could explore, creativity at middle age.

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And is it too late for somebody to continue to be creative?

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And well, the answer in my script is no, it's not.

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_01]: So, no sport or anything.

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_01]: But that's what it's about.

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_01]: It's about a group of people who feel like they're past it, but are now exploring an opportunity to reform and create music again.

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And whether anybody would actually be interested in that music.

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_01]: So, that's very exciting for me, having written it and finished it.

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_01]: The first draft is done.

[00:05:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I've had some feedback from some very good creative friends of mine, including directors.

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm now writing the second draft.

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_01]: So, that's one thing.

[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And you mentioned the example, which I'm very, very proud of.

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_01]: The team that were fantastic.

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And a big shout out to Luke Worrell on the example.

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_01]: He's the one that really, he created the energy behind that.

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I just kind of steered the boat.

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_01]: He built the thing.

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_01]: So, I can talk more about that.

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_01]: But we're actually planning something else.

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_01]: So, at the end of August, we're going to be shooting a longer short film.

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Similar in tone to the example.

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_01]: But a different story and a fantastic location as well.

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_01]: We're very excited about it.

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_02]: That's good to know.

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_02]: The way you're constructing the first draft that you told me about.

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess it's a part where, you know, being 40 and I don't know people interested in me doing something creative.

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I lost it.

[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Or, you know, it's too late now.

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_02]: You're 40 and the generation is changing with the AI and all.

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess that's the concept that you're coming up with.

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_02]: It's good to know that you are exploring where you are saying no in the story.

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And you explore it.

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't think it's a good idea.

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_02]: That's kind of a very good start.

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see what happens now when the answer is clear that he don't believe what he's thinking.

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, that's good to know.

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And congratulations for the example, first of all.

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Tell me what's a schedule for you as an actor now in 2024?

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_02]: A daily, what's a daily schedule for you looks like?

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Like getting up and then prepping.

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_02]: What's the process for you now?

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Like daily basis?

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it depends what day it is.

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I try not to be too strict in setting myself daily because anything could come in.

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, so for me, I'm going to have a good agent in Glynis because there could be times when I've set myself a schedule of things to do that I'm so solidly stuck to.

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_01]: That when an audition could come in with a very close deadline, which tends to happen.

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_01]: You actors out there, you know that.

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_01]: You have to do a good self-tape or be able to get a train to London at quite short notice.

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_01]: So we've got to be fairly flexible.

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_01]: But in terms of day-to-day, what I like to do is get up nice and early.

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I like to exercise.

[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I like to have some good food and a drink to start off my day.

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm also a training facilitator.

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_01]: That's the thing that props up my acting work because you know how it can be tricky in those first few years.

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a changing career.

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_01]: You've got to have something to back you up.

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think it's really important to have something that gives you flexibility.

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Something that you can, I'm a freelance, you see.

[00:07:34] [SPEAKER_01]: So my whole life is dedicated to generating business and being able to create good quality work.

[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_01]: So whether that be in acting or whether that be training facilitation.

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_01]: The very latest, I'm very fortunate to be able to do both.

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_01]: So I like to be able to line up a day that I could be perhaps generating business.

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's a meeting.

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's having a face-to-face with a filmmaker discussing potential opportunities together like I've done recently.

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_01]: It could be preparing for a networking event that I've got that evening.

[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_01]: It could be emailing directors creating good quality tailored approaches to casting directors.

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Or it could be learning a script or a monologue.

[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm really not strict with it because I think it's really important that we go with the flow.

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I think creativity comes from not stifling yourself.

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, some other people might disagree.

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_01]: You might be here knowing that you've got the same thing to do every single day.

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_01]: But that doesn't work for me.

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's really important to go with the flow and at least have some loose idea as to what you want to achieve by the end of the day.

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_01]: That's also really important.

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Got it, got it.

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And I guess the one thing that you mentioned that you organize depending what are things coming in front of you on that particular day.

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_02]: It's important to organize what's in front of you on that particular day.

[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_02]: It's outside.

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_01]: It's outside.

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's connected to my previous work as a training facilitator.

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I spent 15 years doing it and I came to a point where I realized that that wasn't the thing that I wanted to do anymore.

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_01]: It was never the number one.

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_01]: The number one was always being an actor.

[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Ever since I was a child, it was I want to act.

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_01]: But my life took me down a different path.

[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_01]: It was like many working actors, many, many working actors didn't have those opportunities available to go to drama school, to be able to fund that, to maybe the backing from parents or friends or family.

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_01]: It just wasn't the done thing in my small town where I grew up.

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a diming.

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Timing as well.

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, timing.

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Confidence.

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Confidence wasn't there.

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_01]: The belief that you can actually make a living from something that you love like that.

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_01]: So I went with my second best, which was I learned how to facilitate training programs.

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And I went into corporate organizations and I wrote, designed, delivered and evaluated training programs.

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_01]: So I still do that as a freelancer.

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_01]: That's something that still props up my acting world.

[00:10:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I guess it's necessary and it keeps you free where you think you have to do creative things, but you need to fund that creativity.

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, right now, until Martin Scorsese calls and put me in one of his films.

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And there's a lot of learning for you, you know, as an actor, you are really, the way you organize things, I guess, your job, what you were doing is help you out to do something that you never imagined would happen in this field.

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_02]: That project that you did in 20, 48 hours, getting all these people on board in one board.

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess that comes from the job you're doing.

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_02]: That doesn't happen for any artist, you know, it comes from.

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_02]: So I guess that 15 years after you in that 48 hours helped you build that film that won the award.

[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, yeah.

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_02]: So tell me, before we jump on to how you are doing and the projects that you did in 2024, 2020, 21, 22, I'd like to know the place and the period where you were in your childhood days and how you got connected with films, watching TV and watching your favorite shows.

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And then thinking of one day, I really like this, what I'm seeing and I want to do this.

[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_02]: So can we jump back to that?

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my goodness.

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_01]: From the earliest years of my life, just seeing people perform was just magical for me.

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_01]: It took me to somewhere else.

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_01]: It was great watching those old 80s television shows.

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_01]: People my age would remember TV shows.

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Like my favorite was Knight Rider.

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_01]: So watching David Hasselhoff on the screen driving around in this cool car.

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, wow, that looks like a great job.

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I'd love to do that.

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And there was also a TV show.

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_01]: It was a children's TV show.

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Not everybody remembers.

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_01]: It was called Let's Pretend.

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And it was these performers that would have something that they would improvise and they would just become these different characters and these different animals.

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And they would pretend in the space.

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_01]: It was very simple, but it was broadcast.

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I hated it because she saw them as being silly.

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, I really want to watch Let's Pretend.

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I love Let's Pretend.

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_01]: So for me, it was that that gave me the sense of anything that came up in school that involved going on stage and pretending to be someone or something else was just magical for me.

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_01]: It was transportation to a different world and a different being.

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_01]: So it made me want to crave going up on stage.

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_02]: So how old were you when you started getting attracted to all this and you started getting the feeling of, I wish I was there and, you know, I wish I was doing one of those part.

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, four, five years old.

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Four, five years old.

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I must have been four, five years old.

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there was, I was, I was in primaries and I heard that there was a production of Puff the Magic Dragon.

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_01]: And I wanted Puff the Magic Dragon.

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And so we were, we were in the school hall and we were being told about who was going to be playing Puff the Magic Dragon.

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I stood there wishing that it was going to be me and it wasn't, I wasn't able to play Puff the Magic Dragon with somebody else.

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_01]: But I did get a part.

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_01]: So I was dressed in blue and I was waving little bits of blue like, like the sea.

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_01]: So that was my job in that.

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_01]: So from there, from then it was, it was then right.

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_01]: What can I do next?

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Can I, can I do something else?

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Is there an opportunity for me to do something bigger and I've saved bigger parts?

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, got it.

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Got it.

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And I guess the age of four or five, you having good access to television and the show, I guess, really spiked the interest in this field.

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, want to be that, want to be the guy who's leading this whole thing.

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_02]: What, how you got into theater, you know, doing all the stage plays in school period?

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Were you performing?

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_02]: What kind of plays were you doing?

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Like in, in, in the school period just?

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_01]: In school I was, so there were, there was a school I always wanted to be involved in.

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And, and I was also a member of Scouts and I was a member of a youth club in my town as well.

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_01]: There wasn't a huge amount to do in my town.

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_01]: It's very quiet, small, quite rural working town.

[00:14:07] [SPEAKER_01]: And the, the Scouts would put on the gang show.

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_01]: So I had that.

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I could be part of a show that was performed locally.

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody would come and watch it, a few hundred people.

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And it was, it was a great experience.

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_01]: At school, it was putting my hand up and saying, I want to be in the school playing the drama teaching something.

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_01]: So I was 11 and I got the lead in a play called The Nose.

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's very short.

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_01]: It was about a 15 minute play.

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And it was about a prince who was born with a huge, unightly nose.

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_01]: So that was me.

[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I had to, I had this big nose on the stage.

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_01]: A bit like Serana de Bergerac.

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of, you know, think of Gerard Depardieu.

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_01]: It was kind of, kind of like that, but it was a prince and it was about him trying to find love,

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_01]: but nobody would love him because he's got this big nose on his face.

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_01]: It was about how to break the curse.

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And that was performed as part of a showcase at a big theater in Northampton called The Dern Gate.

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_01]: So that was a great experience for me.

[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_01]: But I also did the gang show with the Scouts.

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And I even had the opportunity when I was about 14 with my youth club to perform on the stage at the Royal Albert Hall.

[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And I got the lead in that and running out onto that stage as a young 14 year old boy with that spotlight coming down

[00:15:13] [SPEAKER_01]: and hundreds of people all sitting watching was just an adrenaline rush.

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_01]: And we got times.

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_01]: So I was very fortunate, but it's about seeking it out.

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_01]: If it's something that you do, it's about putting your hand up and being the first line to say,

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, I'm interested in this and I've got something.

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's work.

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess that, that year old, you really got good boost in the performing, performing the play, you know,

[00:15:38] [SPEAKER_02]: in huge, in front of huge audience.

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_02]: That particular boosted you to know you, you thought, Hey, I guess I have a career.

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think I can make sure that I thrive in this field.

[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess 14, you thought I can lead in this field and I know that I have a career.

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_02]: So what happened after that?

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Were you into high school, college?

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Were you still doing performing plays or it just got scrappy?

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_02]: You just focused into going to the mission and then job.

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_02]: What happened next?

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_02]: A loss of belief.

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_01]: It was a loss of belief that somebody like me could actually make it even after having the opportunity to go on such a big stage.

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's the thought that creeps into your mind that says, Hey, you need to get a job.

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Just like just any job.

[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_01]: But then that demotivates you because then you think, well, what kind of job can I get?

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Because all I'm good at is acting.

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_01]: All I want to do is acting.

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_01]: All I want to do is be on stage and be a performer.

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_01]: So you, so I kind of fell into, into the trap of what else do I do?

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Didn't get very good qualifications at school.

[00:16:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't go to college.

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't get to go to university or anything like that.

[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_01]: There was no focus or drive.

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And I kind of just stumbled from job to job.

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_01]: So for me, it was that a loss of belief led to a series of, um, where I just didn't really feel fit.

[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Difficult to make that way.

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_00]: So from when I was a teenager, exactly.

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_01]: It's, um, so from when I was a teenager until I was maybe in my late twenties, I didn't perform as an actor, but I did find other things to do.

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_01]: So you, if it happened and it doesn't happen for a long time, trust me, if you need it and you want it that bad, you will find a way it will come back.

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And it doesn't matter how long.

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess it's, uh, it's, it's the downfall.

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_02]: It's the belief that you lost, you know, where, where you thought, okay, things are going good, but.

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_02]: When actual thing of having money and then creating a life for your own, that's what you disbelieve in.

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_02]: It thinks it is good from the outer part where you're performing and it's good, but it's not, uh, making sure that your life would look good if you keep this.

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And I guess that, uh, yes, till twenties in college where you are completely doing opposite of what you're looking to do, but you're looking to find a way where you can go back and get at this, uh, get this thing.

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And then, uh, get on board and start working.

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess, uh, after getting to jobs, were you still thinking of jumping out and, you know, getting going all in what those kinds of things happening with you or you were completely focused on job and, and completely given up?

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my goodness.

[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, having a job was a necessity.

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't a dream or anything.

[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_01]: It was, it was actually something stopping me from achieving my dream.

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And because, because it's the, it's the fear of having nothing.

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_01]: It's the fear of being left behind because your friends are things.

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Some of you watching this, you may have, you may have seen that before your friends achieve things.

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_01]: They're getting that promotion at work and they're moving up in their job because they're dedicated and committed to that.

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_01]: When you want dedicated and committed to your craft and you want to be an art and you want to be on that stage featuring that television program or be in that movie.

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_01]: When you're doing a day job, it does take your soul.

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Now I'm not saying every day job is something, having a day job is important to prop up an acting career, especially when you're at this similar age.

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm in my forties now.

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's important to have something, but never lose that focus on the thing that you really need to have.

[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And if you're not doing it, you've got to ask yourself a serious question.

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Am I really to do?

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_01]: If the answer is no, then you've got to find a way to start doing it today.

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Good.

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And I guess that's the spirit, you know, where what you got after doing all these years, spending all these years, you're still looking for finding an opportunity where you can jump in right back.

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And I guess having a job is having money in your bank account and having that flow of cash continuously throughout the month is important because that makes you go more all in into your creativity.

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, finding a way, creating that whole cave that you're looking to be in, you know, just to build that whole world of you.

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_02]: You are exploring all the creativity, but you need the money to make sure that everything is good and all.

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess good to know how you went from childhood to acting for a greater point.

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And it didn't came to you.

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, tell me once you're spending all these years in your 20s, still 14.

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_02]: After that, I guess, till 20, you're not able to find a proper opportunity.

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_02]: You can go all in in acting.

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_02]: How the training process happened throughout these years where you're doing your job, how you started training?

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Was there any training involved or it was completely off?

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so in my 20s, I discovered a different form of creativity, which was music.

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And I've done, but I managed to through through people that I knew, I managed to connect with some very creative musicians and I had a talent for singing.

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_01]: So I was able to sing lessons and develop myself and be the lead singer of a couple of rock bands, which which led to more opportunities.

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_01]: So we wrote some music, we recorded some music and we would go around different venues and we perform this music to small audiences.

[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And that was a way to get some of that creativity out.

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if we actually believed that we would be successful with it.

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think anybody really wanted it as much to kind of be to kind of be the people that said, right, we're going to be the best band in the UK.

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to we're going to go on tour and we're going to play these big stadiums and and be really successful.

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think any of us really dream that we just loved doing it.

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_01]: It was just the creativity of it, which led us to actually led us to more and more often, which was excellent purely because.

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_01]: So that was something that I did in my 20s was was exploring music and how to perform and be free on stage and truly express yourself in your words and your music.

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_01]: When I didn't have a band anymore, I went to see a local amateur production of Beauty and the Beast.

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And it was the Disney. It was the Disney version of Beauty and the Beast performed by local people.

[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And it was my dung at the time. And we went to watch it for her birthday.

[00:21:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't expect much, you know, you think about me to theatre and you think of people forget nines and over, you know, the play that goes wrong.

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_01]: But actually, that was far from the truth. These people were so professional and the production was so good that it inspired me completely.

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_01]: And I immediately went home and I put an email together and I wrote to them and I said, please, please, please let me be in your play.

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm so inspired by you. I want to come and do something with you.

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And they invited me to an audition and I sang Maria from West Side Story for them.

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_01]: And we did some script and they let me in and I subsequently performed as Motel the tailor in Fiddler on the Roof.

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And there it was. I was 29 and I found myself going, oh, I love this.

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I need to be on stage. I need to do this regularly.

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_01]: So I became a member of the Ketrin Operatic Theatre Society, the musical theatre company.

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Did some shows together and that kind of reignited. I've got something here.

[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, yeah, OK, I could do this. Maybe not professionally, but I'll do this for a while and see how it goes.

[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. So the training really started with amateur theatre and working with some quality.

[00:22:55] [SPEAKER_01]: And amateurs, not a bad word. I think people who are amateur are very good.

[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Yeah. Great. Really skilled people. Great music. A fantastic director from London.

[00:23:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And we put out some great quality pieces.

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_01]: That's where the training kind of started. Yeah.

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Good to know, you know, where you really found out the passion and the ignition again,

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_02]: where you feel like I want to be this again.

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. That's the thing that ignited the fire, I guess.

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And you got back up on, you know, where you said, hey, please, please, please let me do this.

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_02]: That made sure that you never leave this.

[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And tell me, I guess you were part of that amateur club where you were performing musical theatre and doing good and all.

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, when I didn't know I had to go, you know, train for a proper career in the, I guess now it's a time.

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Because you were 29, you already have a daughter now.

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And a guy with nine making a decision is not someone who's making a decision at 15 or 16.

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_02]: That is different when it comes to decision making.

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, you just drop out at 16 and, you know, take something, do something.

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Someone in the 30s who's coming up with some planning is making sure because he has done a lot of decisions over the years.

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_02]: So when you decided that, what was thought, like how, where did you go and what you do to make sure that you went to a proper training thing?

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And what was the year that you decided I have to train myself now?

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, that didn't happen until quite a long time in the future.

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_01]: We're talking 10 years.

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_01]: It was a long time for that realization to actually occur because, say, when there's children in the family, when you're the main earner in the family and you've got a mortgage to pay and that safety of your family because I've got two children.

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_01]: The responsibility on me was keep everything together and make sure that everybody's safe and happy.

[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's where I was doing the amateur theater.

[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_01]: My children have grown a bit.

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, an opportunity from the pandemic.

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_01]: So it was, I didn't have a job anymore.

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_01]: So I was a learning and development consultant for a large business.

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_01]: So I had good money, nice car, all the trappings, all the good things, lovely job.

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And COVID came along, so I didn't have any more work.

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_01]: So I decided, right, I need to do something for me.

[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I set up as a freelancer.

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And during that setup, I had this realization.

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I was sitting at my desk and inspecting.

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I was trying to find work and make new connections.

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_01]: And I had this moment.

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Voice came into mind and it said, are you really doing what you should be doing?

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And the answer to that question straight away was, no, you're not.

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_01]: You're not doing the thing you should be doing.

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_01]: So the next question was, what should you be doing?

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And the answer to that question was, you should be acting.

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_01]: What are you doing with your life?

[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_01]: You're 39 now.

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_01]: So from 29, starting amateur theatre, doing a few shows, coming out, having a pause, focusing

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_01]: on career, family, coming back to 39.

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_01]: This question comes in, I should be acting.

[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_01]: So I started doing some research.

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And I thought, what can I do that is maybe local to me?

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Are there any theatre companies near me that I can get involved that are doing rep theatre?

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe there's no rep theatre.

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Could I get involved with any local filmmakers?

[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I don't know anybody.

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Are there classes at local college?

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Not accessible to me.

[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't do those things.

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_01]: You need to be full time to do that sort of thing.

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And then this one's up.

[00:26:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Learn how to act online.

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_01]: The Acting Academy, Mark Pegg.

[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I went, wow, what's this?

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Surely this isn't real.

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And you go and you see Mark.

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_01]: He's been in EastEnders.

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_01]: He was in the bill.

[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_01]: He's produced films.

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_01]: That was a big deal.

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_01]: So I started looking at this and the, what's it called?

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_01]: The ratings, Trustpilot.

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Great.

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_01]: The ratings.

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_01]: The reviews.

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Fantastic.

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_01]: People using this class.

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_01]: So I started.

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And every day I was doing my lessons.

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I was going online.

[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I was doing my voice lessons.

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I was getting Shakespeare in there.

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I was learning Slavsky and stuff.

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I had a, in COVID with a mask on and everything, we went.

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_01]: It was when lockdown restrictions slightly improved.

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I could go to a face-to-face acting workshop.

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_01]: So for the first time, I was doing a piece to camera with other people at a distance.

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_01]: We worked safely.

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's where it started.

[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_01]: And just a snowball effect happened.

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you start training and you start learning things that you didn't know before.

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_01]: You make a connection.

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_01]: They inspire you.

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_01]: You start doing what they've done.

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_01]: They start inviting you to be part of their thing.

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_01]: And it just rolls into another thing.

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's where it started.

[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_01]: 10 year gap in between though.

[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_02]: 10 years.

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's...

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_02]: 10 years.

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like a decade where you just went on, did some amateur theater and gave, you know,

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_02]: just...

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess, thought of end of the world and you could die maybe.

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what...

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_02]: What if you die tomorrow?

[00:27:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's what led you to decide, are you doing what you're loving?

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Because the next moment you cannot...

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:27:51] [SPEAKER_02]: The next moment you can't be in this world, you know, maybe something happens and the

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_02]: whole world dies and everything.

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_02]: It was a period where there was a belief that it's going to stay for a very long time.

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_02]: You cannot see a thing.

[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like, that was some kind of motivation, you know, that was kind of pulling out, losing

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_02]: your job.

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_02]: It was a big thing.

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And something that you started out...

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Getting something online was, you didn't expect, okay, this is something in my comfort

[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_02]: where I don't have to leave and something I can do at the same time, you know, where

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_02]: it is possible.

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And then you went all...

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I saw your spotlight.

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_02]: It was filled with the works of every particular part.

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And you...

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_01]: You made sure that...

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_01]: You've got to get ready.

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_01]: There's lots of sparks of inspiration when you start training.

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_01]: The first lesson is only going to give you so much, but you keep turning up every day.

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And more and more to what you have available, you're confident without having...

[00:29:02] [SPEAKER_01]: In your life, you know what I mean?

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_01]: So because you start to...

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_01]: David Goggins talks about this in his book, Can't Hurt Me.

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_01]: He talks about callusing your mind.

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And so like in weights, you get calluses on your hands.

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Like if you were doing manual work, you'd get calluses on your hands and that's to protect

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_01]: your hands as they're doing the hard work.

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_01]: It's with your brain.

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_01]: You do hard work and your mind starts to resist the urge to stop.

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Your resilience grows.

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And martial arts training gives you that.

[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_01]: It gives you the physical, the spiritual, the philosophical, and so much more.

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And I've got to say that during...

[00:29:34] [SPEAKER_01]: So between that period of doing amateur theatre and starting up as a professional actor,

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I'd started martial arts training.

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I've been training for eight years.

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And it gave me the confidence and capability, the capacity, the determination and the strength

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_01]: to be able to actually go, hey, you're not doing the thing that you should be doing today.

[00:29:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Why not?

[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Do it now.

[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Do it now.

[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Just take...

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Just don't judge yourself on the present.

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Make sure that you judge overall how you evolve over the days.

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess martial arts is something where you judge yourself over a period of a month and

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_02]: two months and you judge on how and the next month and the next month and how you are

[00:30:12] [SPEAKER_02]: throughout six months period.

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess that's what gave you the feeling, hey, this is just one and another day and

[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_02]: another day.

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And let's see what happens after a month and two.

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And I guess it's kind of a good mentality.

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a mindset at the end of the day.

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, acting and being an actor is also my team where what you think of yourself is

[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_02]: very, very important before, you know, because that can kill you also.

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Even if you are very good actor and known actor.

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_02]: All this, we are at a place now where we are talking about you as an actor.

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Once a guy, a four year old boy was watching TV that jumped into acting and at a point where

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_02]: he lost a hope, did a job, got into jobs and was changing continuously.

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Had a family, suddenly watched a play and got excited to be an actor again, just doing

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_02]: amateur theater for 10 years.

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And then after you thought I have to do the training or not.

[00:31:07] [SPEAKER_02]: So tell me about once you got trained, you know, your mentors and all, how you started

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_02]: working on like how the audition process now you were taking on because now you're

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_02]: a trained actor, you got all the trainings, whatever it was needed for you.

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to jump on the audition part of you.

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_02]: So now tell me about what is your process of researching and understanding the concept

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_02]: and the context all at the same time, you know, of the character in that whole before

[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_02]: an audition, particularly for roles set in specific historical periods and unique environments.

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm talking about how you develop yourself, how you develop your mind with the context

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_02]: in that whole scene and situation, how you prepare yourself once the script appears in

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_02]: front of you for an audition.

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the first is to get excited about it.

[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And you get excited about it by simply reading it from cover to cover and taking as much information

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_01]: from it as you possibly can.

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_01]: But I try to do that passively and try not to make too much decision in the first instance.

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's important that you absorb the detail of the script and allow yourself to

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_01]: be excited about the project that you're coming up to.

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Because sometimes you can read something, and I'm sure you relate to this, you can read

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_01]: something that doesn't really spark that much excitement in you, but you know it's a

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_01]: good opportunity and it's a job.

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's important to think with a sense of, well, this could be something great.

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Even if it doesn't seem and look fantastic in the first instance, you have to approach

[00:32:35] [SPEAKER_01]: it as a professional and go, yes, this could be really great.

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think becoming excited about it by reading it fairly passively, first of all, is a great

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_01]: thing to do.

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, I'm quite old school.

[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_01]: So now, I mean, I print off a script and I make pen annotations throughout the whole

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_01]: thing.

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_01]: What's this person's meaning?

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_01]: What's their understanding?

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_01]: What does this word mean?

[00:32:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's underline this because I don't understand this word.

[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Can I look up this word?

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Why is he saying it that way?

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Where's the dialect coming from?

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Because this particular word is being used.

[00:33:04] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, where's this person from?

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_01]: And what kind of customs are in this part of the world where this person's from?

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_01]: So you start questioning all these things and I write all these notes down the side

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_01]: of my script and build this kind of idea as to what this character could be.

[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And from there, I start to feel what this person's like.

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think we could put too much into what is the logical step-by-step process here.

[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_01]: But actually, we need to focus on how does it feel?

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_01]: How does this person hold themselves?

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Are they hunched?

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Are they fall?

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Are they walking?

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Do they use gestures?

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Do they use self-touch?

[00:33:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Are they a nervous person?

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Are they tense?

[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Are they relaxed?

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think all of those start to kind of speak to me as I'm going through and working

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_01]: out and making notes on the text.

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_01]: So these just kind of come.

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_01]: There is something else that I use as well.

[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I call it my secret weapon.

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_01]: As a training facilitator, I come across quite a lot of good tools for behaviors and attitudes.

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_01]: One of them is from Carl Jung's psychological preference.

[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_01]: So talking about thinking, feeling, introversion, extroversion.

[00:34:04] [SPEAKER_01]: So very simply, I would consider whether I believe this character from the text is interested

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_01]: or extroverted.

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Do they operate with higher thinking or feeling?

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Are they a person who is logical or do they go with their gut?

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_01]: So from that, from those four different areas, I start to be a bit of a profile around who

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_01]: the character is and what kind of circumstances they need in order to audition as appropriately

[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_01]: and as effectively as they can.

[00:34:27] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a good process, you know, the way you go for it.

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_02]: It's detailed.

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And the way you describe the whole thing is going to help a lot of artists who are going

[00:34:34] [SPEAKER_02]: to discuss real, you know, this particular one minute, two minute that you told.

[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_02]: It's really a good note that you go this far for a character that you got to an audition

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_02]: and you go this step for any character that you look for.

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And at soft, the way you got trained and you invested time in very short period and you

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_02]: are making these things.

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_02]: It's really important for an actor to go in this way where you, you know, you notice about

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_02]: how he's introverted or outwitted, you know, noticing how he holds himself.

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_02]: These kind of stands out when you're in front of camera, you know, because as someone who's

[00:35:12] [SPEAKER_02]: watching the audition, this is something that is noted where, where the, how, how the character

[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_02]: is standing, how he's feeling himself and the way if, if he has any gestures, you know,

[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_02]: that particular things kind of stands out a different way because if you're thinking of

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_02]: this, then your body is implying that.

[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And if anyone is not thinking, then it's not hanging out inside their brain and you know,

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_02]: it's not what other guy is thinking.

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_02]: So I guess now this thing that you think of a actor who's come to you and you've got plenty

[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_02]: of time.

[00:35:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:35:41] [SPEAKER_02]: This is something where, where we are taking detail about it, but now jumping onto a part

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_02]: where there's a limited time, you just get, Hey, you have to make a self tip, you know,

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_02]: just make sure Martin, we got something for you and we got me and we're going on board.

[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_02]: We're looking for four or five artists and you're one of them.

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Now tell me about this, this, do this clip and I'm sending you something.

[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_02]: This is the stuff that we got.

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Can you do something?

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And you just say, Oh, okay.

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely.

[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_01]: There's no other response.

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And now tell me when, when you received this, this part where things are limited and you

[00:36:17] [SPEAKER_02]: know, you have limited time, limited information, how do you go for that particular thing?

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_02]: How do you approach for that role or how do you audition, how do you prep for that?

[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Similar.

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't, it doesn't take long to break down the text.

[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_01]: It's still, it doesn't have to be a long process.

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't need to spend a day.

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Come on, we're not being paid for the audition, but sure to be paid.

[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's a competitive situation that we find ourselves in.

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_01]: So we've got to do the best within a short amount of time.

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_01]: If I'm one of 10 actors who is doing this sort of stuff, I'm going to be the one that's

[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_01]: most prepared and I'm ready to do this audition.

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to leave any question in the casting director or the, or the filmmaker's mind

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_01]: that I haven't done the work in the first.

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to reject me.

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_01]: It's because I don't look right.

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Not because I've not done the work, you know?

[00:36:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think it's still really important, even if you're poor to get the minor text, take

[00:37:04] [SPEAKER_01]: as much as you can from it and maybe use some tools.

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_01]: There's some great tools available these days for helping us to be able to learn word.

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_01]: So yes, we've got to be dead letter perfect on it.

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_01]: It's important to do the text justice.

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Is there any strategy that you can use?

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_01]: There's this for doing some very, very quickly.

[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_01]: It's mining the text and getting the intention from each line, importantly,

[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_01]: because then you've got a rough idea as to what the words have to say.

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_01]: If you're really, really stuck for time, perhaps get some on-screen prompts.

[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_01]: So we film on phones now and it's not always best to use the front facing room.

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_01]: It's always best to use the back facing lens on a, on a phone.

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_01]: But if you're in facing you, perhaps you could have like a text prompt.

[00:37:50] [SPEAKER_01]: There's apps available that you can use for text prompts.

[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_01]: So you absolutely have to, and you can't, there's no way you can memorize five pages of text

[00:37:57] [SPEAKER_01]: within an hour, you know, that kind of thing.

[00:38:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's good to have a fallback, such as a telepore app that you can show you the lines

[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_01]: on the screen so that at least you can focus on the intention and get the character right

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_01]: without having to worry that you're going to get them wrong.

[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's really helped sometimes.

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Got it.

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's good to know, you know, uh, yes, this whole information of having limited time

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_02]: and still going for it is finding out the strategies which can, which will help you reach faster

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_02]: towards the character.

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess that's, that's, that's self.

[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, get the character for, for a movie, you know, imagine the movie that really worked for you.

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_02]: So how you prepare for yourself, you know, where you're preparing for the body language,

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_02]: the mindset, the psychology, at the same time you're working on his dialect, uh, the way he's

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_02]: approaching another guy or the way he's looking for his space in that whole screen, you know,

[00:38:47] [SPEAKER_02]: in that frame.

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_02]: So how will you prepare for something like that?

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Like what's your prep process?

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_02]: How will you move ahead with such complex character?

[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's good.

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, using good questions.

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I think an actor has to have good quality questions.

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And, and I think as Tony Robbins said, if you want better results, learn how to ask better

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_01]: questions.

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_01]: That's an art form in itself.

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think you've got to know who, what, why, when, where, how, um, you've got to know,

[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah, you've got to, you've got to know who this person is connected to, who brought them up,

[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_01]: who their friends were when they were young, where they grew up, um, what their responsibilities

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_01]: are now and what they've learned in order to become the person they've become.

[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_01]: So you're having good quality questions that you can ask throughout that then you can provide

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_01]: answers for.

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Or if it's not in the text, us as actors, we've got to create that even if it's not

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_01]: real.

[00:39:36] [SPEAKER_01]: So for example, I, I did a film called the mystery of mystery, which I'm very proud of

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_01]: obviously on Amazon prime.

[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, um, my character was called Peter Landrigan.

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Now on the surface, he's the son of the most successful romance author of all time.

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so it could be easy to say that he's, um, he's, uh, uh, a rich boy who grew up very

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_01]: wealthy and he's, he lives on his mom's, um, estate because she's not alive anymore in

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_01]: the film.

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_01]: She's, she's already dead when we opened the film.

[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and, uh, and he's living on her money that she, she earned.

[00:40:09] [SPEAKER_01]: So if I was to take that and say, I was just a rich boy, there would be no depth to the

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_01]: character.

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_01]: So I had to think, well, where's his dad?

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_01]: His dad isn't mentioned.

[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_01]: So he misses his dad.

[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_01]: He misses his father.

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, his mother was very powerful.

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_01]: She was very determined.

[00:40:22] [SPEAKER_01]: She didn't become the bestselling author by accident.

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_01]: She would have been putting her time into her work.

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, Peter's married a woman like that.

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_01]: So he's married a woman like his mother.

[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Why has that happened?

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, he misses his mother and he wanted, always wanted her to be around.

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_01]: He feels neglected.

[00:40:37] [SPEAKER_01]: So all of those questions came in that weren't in the script.

[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And I created this kind of background and I talked to the director around those things.

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And he'd say, that's great.

[00:40:44] [SPEAKER_01]: That's, that's what I think as well.

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think you've got to have that.

[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_01]: You've got to, you've got to have really good quality questions throughout your process.

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Who, what, why, when, where, how.

[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And, um, and also, like I said before, my secret weapon around using Jungian preference,

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Carl Jung's psychology to think about, is he introverted, extroverted?

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Does he come from a thinking or feeling perspective?

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Is he somebody who's kind and empathetic and caring, or is he more logical and, uh, and

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_01]: deliberate in his decision-making?

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's a combination of those four different preferences that helps build a psychological

[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_01]: profile.

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't need to be an expert, but it's good to have that.

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_01]: What is human psychology made up of?

[00:41:20] [SPEAKER_01]: This is a great question.

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Good.

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Make that character human, importantly.

[00:41:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And because the text will give you what the character's situation is now in that particular

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_02]: scene, but creating a world of that character and then imagining that things are happening

[00:41:38] [SPEAKER_02]: to him will also help you a lot, you know, building that character.

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, this, this is really helpful to know.

[00:41:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, I guess I had a lot of questions, but you answered some things in really detail that

[00:41:49] [SPEAKER_02]: all the questions just faded out.

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I do that.

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_01]: That's, that's, um, that's something to do with me.

[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_02]: You, you explain things in, in very good way that most of the things when I'm checking

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_02]: out my question box, I guess he answered that.

[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess he answered that.

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I should have read your question.

[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, what?

[00:42:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I have to check now again.

[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_02]: So, uh, tell me about, uh, now we are jumping on your movies, the mystery of Mr.

[00:42:18] [SPEAKER_02]: E and the evil fairy queen.

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_02]: So these both are different genres.

[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_02]: The evil fairy queen is, I guess, in the fantasy fiction, right?

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:42:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And, uh, the mystery of Mr. E is in the present where I guess they're trying to figure out

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_02]: who is the killer, something kind of thing.

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I missed the plot there, but, uh, you played this in different genres and someone

[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_02]: like you, who is preparing for roles, like the way you, you check the nuances, you make

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_02]: sure the mindset is good and all you go in deep or we can sum up.

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_02]: How do you adapt your acting style to fit the tone and demands of various genres and

[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_02]: what challenges you face while adapting to the, uh, genres, the years and the situation?

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_01]: It was interesting.

[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Those, both of those two films, um, the mystery of Mr. E and the evil fairy queen, they

[00:43:07] [SPEAKER_01]: both came up at the same time and I shot them back to back.

[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so I had to learn both at the same time.

[00:43:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so having that going back to my process, having a really good solid process that helped

[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_01]: me to be able to learn both and, and kind of flick between the two characters.

[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_01]: So the evil fairy queen shot first for two weeks, then I went to the mystery of Mr.

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_01]: E for two weeks.

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Then I went back to the evil fairy queen and then I went back to the mystery of Mr.

[00:43:30] [SPEAKER_01]: E.

[00:43:30] [SPEAKER_01]: So your, your question, having the difference between the two characters is really important

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_01]: because they could have easily bled into each other and having them separate.

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, it comes to, I think it comes to what those, what I know that those characters believe

[00:43:43] [SPEAKER_01]: in those situations.

[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Peter Landrigan believed that there wasn't a murderer when clearly at the beginning of

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_01]: the film, this is the good thing about that film.

[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_01]: The murderer introduces himself right at the beginning.

[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_01]: So we know who the murderer is.

[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_01]: We just don't know who's murdered.

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Peter Landrigan doesn't believe that there's been a murder at his house.

[00:44:04] [SPEAKER_01]: He, he will not believe that there's been a murder at his house.

[00:44:06] [SPEAKER_01]: He's got one intention and his intention is, well, I can't give that away.

[00:44:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but he's invited, he's invited the twin detectives to his house to do a particular

[00:44:16] [SPEAKER_01]: job and that's all he believes.

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_01]: So in my mind as the actor, I've got to believe that too.

[00:44:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know there's a murder.

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know there's a murderer.

[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know who's been murdered.

[00:44:25] [SPEAKER_01]: All I know is that I want these two guys to come and solve a problem for me.

[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's my main intention.

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_01]: So with the evil fairy queen, it's quite similar.

[00:44:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, the, the, the character I play in the evil fairy queen is the dad of the family.

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_01]: He's called Tom Richards and he's the glue that holds his family together.

[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_01]: He's very empathetic.

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, they've been through trauma and he knows that that trauma has occurred.

[00:44:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and he feels that trauma, but he knows that he's got to support his family as a,

[00:44:55] [SPEAKER_01]: as a symbol of strength.

[00:44:56] [SPEAKER_01]: So therefore he's, he doesn't believe that anything of the fantastical could ever occur.

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't believe that fairies exist.

[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_01]: He plays along with his daughter because she believes in fairies, but he's, his belief is

[00:45:09] [SPEAKER_01]: not anywhere near the fantastical.

[00:45:11] [SPEAKER_01]: He even struggles to believe when something magical and actually malevolent happens to him.

[00:45:17] [SPEAKER_01]: He still struggles to believe.

[00:45:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so for me, the difference between the two is recognizing that, um, they are from different

[00:45:25] [SPEAKER_01]: backgrounds and different people.

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_01]: They have different beliefs, but actually they're quite, they're quite similarly connected

[00:45:30] [SPEAKER_01]: because we're all human beings and we're going to have similarities and differences

[00:45:33] [SPEAKER_01]: between all of us.

[00:45:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Got it.

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Got it.

[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And I guess there's something else as well.

[00:45:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, actually there's, there's, um, I would say to anybody watching this, if you've got

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_01]: difference in characters and you're doing them in close proximity of each other, or even

[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_01]: if you're not something physical that you can identify the character with or without.

[00:45:51] [SPEAKER_01]: So Peter Landrigan wore, um, a shirt with flamingos on it.

[00:45:55] [SPEAKER_01]: He's got this affinity for clothing that expresses some kind of individualism and, um, a little

[00:46:01] [SPEAKER_01]: bit flamboyant.

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Whereas Tom Richards, he had a beard and glasses.

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_01]: He was an architect.

[00:46:07] [SPEAKER_01]: He was more logical.

[00:46:08] [SPEAKER_01]: He was less expressive.

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_01]: So something physical helped me to be able to shift between the two characters as well.

[00:46:13] [SPEAKER_01]: So I recommend that to anybody.

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Find something that physical, that physically embodies the character and their mindset, something

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_01]: different about each one that helps you to then slip into that role when you're, when

[00:46:25] [SPEAKER_01]: you're physically looking like that person really helpful.

[00:46:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:46:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess, I guess the mindset and the body language kind of, uh, integrated where you, once you

[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_02]: join them having something, this is something that helps a tool to the mind where, you know,

[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_02]: this character looks like this or walks like this.

[00:46:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And I guess something related to body will help the mind, uh, to make sure that we are

[00:46:46] [SPEAKER_02]: playing this guy and this is something different.

[00:46:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess.

[00:46:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's, that's, that's good notice.

[00:46:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:46:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Now I'm trying to figure out, uh, your role in the movie Shaitaan, uh, which is a Bollywood

[00:46:59] [SPEAKER_02]: film.

[00:46:59] [SPEAKER_02]: It starred, uh, Ajay Tevgan.

[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's kind of a remake of a film that was already made, but it's a Bollywood film and

[00:47:05] [SPEAKER_02]: it did a good business.

[00:47:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:47:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's on Netflix.

[00:47:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, so to the Indian audience, he appeared in the movie Shaitaan, which just got released,

[00:47:16] [SPEAKER_02]: featured Ajay Tevgan.

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, so tell me about how this casting happened, how you got informed about this role and how

[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_02]: you, uh, how many days you shot and how was the process?

[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:47:28] [SPEAKER_01]: So, um, it was a very small part, but I did have the absolute pleasure and honor of doing

[00:47:34] [SPEAKER_01]: a scene with Ajay Tevgan, which is, which was fantastic.

[00:47:37] [SPEAKER_01]: So he's such a wonderful, gracious man.

[00:47:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and, uh, yeah, the, the job came up through, through networking.

[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_01]: When you, yeah.

[00:47:47] [SPEAKER_01]: When you, when you work with somebody, you, you go to, um, acting classes, you meet people,

[00:47:51] [SPEAKER_01]: they recommend you for things.

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's exactly how it happened.

[00:47:54] [SPEAKER_01]: My good friend, Ewan Weatherburn, who was another up and coming actor, he's doing great

[00:47:57] [SPEAKER_01]: things at the moment.

[00:47:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, he actually recommended me to the casting director who, who, um, well, he, he texted me

[00:48:05] [SPEAKER_01]: and he's a business owner.

[00:48:06] [SPEAKER_01]: UK based?

[00:48:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:48:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Indian casting director.

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, great.

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:48:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:48:11] [SPEAKER_01]: But he's, he's UK based and, um, yeah, I'm trying to remember how it happened.

[00:48:16] [SPEAKER_01]: It was over a year ago now.

[00:48:17] [SPEAKER_01]: So Ewan had said to me, would you be interested in, in doing a Bollywood movie?

[00:48:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, yeah, definitely.

[00:48:23] [SPEAKER_01]: And, uh, he put me in touch with the casting director who wanted some photos.

[00:48:26] [SPEAKER_01]: He'd obviously looked at my spotlight and everything.

[00:48:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And, um, and he'd, he'd said to me, great.

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to book you.

[00:48:31] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a really quick turnaround.

[00:48:32] [SPEAKER_01]: So you wanted like kind of the next day.

[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, wow.

[00:48:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.

[00:48:37] [SPEAKER_01]: So I was briefed.

[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I was briefed on the scene.

[00:48:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And, um, what it was, was Ajay's character was coming to London with his family and he

[00:48:45] [SPEAKER_01]: was meeting his friends, me and the other actor in this, in the scene.

[00:48:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, our job was to show them around London.

[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_01]: So there was going to be a montage of, of parts where we would be seen shopping and having

[00:48:55] [SPEAKER_01]: dinner and all those kinds of things.

[00:48:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, because of restrictions, when we got there on the day, it turned out to be, uh, we shot

[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_01]: a scene on top of a tour bus.

[00:49:02] [SPEAKER_01]: It was an open top tour bus going around the sites of London.

[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And we were having dialogue, improvised dialogue between us, um, about the trip to London and

[00:49:10] [SPEAKER_01]: our friendship.

[00:49:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And we had a really nice moment where I just said, shall I do some cooking tonight?

[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And I said, yeah, but please, please not too hot.

[00:49:17] [SPEAKER_01]: And, and he says, yeah, but that's the way that I know.

[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And I said, well, I can't, I can't take it when it's too hot.

[00:49:23] [SPEAKER_01]: You know this.

[00:49:23] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's laughing and having a great time on top of the bus.

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it was, um, it was very short.

[00:49:29] [SPEAKER_01]: It was an afternoon and, um, the small appearance in that film is a, is a real honor.

[00:49:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:49:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:49:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Great experience.

[00:49:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, it's, it's, it's not about, uh, the small appearance.

[00:49:39] [SPEAKER_02]: It's about the process that it happens.

[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's about, uh, the excitement that movie created in, uh, this particular period,

[00:49:46] [SPEAKER_02]: you know, it was number one on Netflix and it did good business in the movie theaters,

[00:49:51] [SPEAKER_02]: which is really hard to do nowadays.

[00:49:53] [SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's really hard to get a good business.

[00:49:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Even the film has done because now the OTT has, you know, kind of changed the whole system

[00:50:00] [SPEAKER_02]: after COVID.

[00:50:01] [SPEAKER_02]: So in India now for Hindi films, it's really hard to do a business and a good business,

[00:50:06] [SPEAKER_02]: any kind of movie.

[00:50:07] [SPEAKER_02]: So there's a lot of movies releasing, but it's hard to, you know, just get it to a hundred

[00:50:11] [SPEAKER_02]: club where things will be good.

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, the movie does good business on, uh, theater, you know, movie theaters.

[00:50:19] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's where this movie really did good.

[00:50:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's what catch my eye.

[00:50:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, wow, he was in the movie.

[00:50:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I liked to know what happened.

[00:50:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I was a process for, you know, getting into a Hindi film.

[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, that's good.

[00:50:29] [SPEAKER_01]: It was very good.

[00:50:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:50:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Moved quickly.

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_01]: No fuss.

[00:50:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Just straight in, did the job.

[00:50:33] [SPEAKER_01]: And there we go.

[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Shout out to, to, uh, to Farhan who got me that job.

[00:50:37] [SPEAKER_01]: We've been in touch recently.

[00:50:38] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.

[00:50:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow.

[00:50:39] [SPEAKER_02]: That's a, he's an actor or a casting director?

[00:50:41] [SPEAKER_01]: He's casting director and actor, I believe.

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Great.

[00:50:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Great to know.

[00:50:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_02]: You shout out to Farhan, man.

[00:50:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

[00:50:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[00:50:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:50:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:50:51] [SPEAKER_02]: So, uh, is there something that you can, uh, share on the part of you appearing as,

[00:50:56] [SPEAKER_02]: uh, Michael Hubbard QC in the Sohum drama, Sohum murder trial, right?

[00:51:01] [SPEAKER_02]: The Sohum murder trial where you were Michael Hubbard.

[00:51:04] [SPEAKER_02]: But so, uh, tell us about that documentary drama and about the character first.

[00:51:09] [SPEAKER_02]: So we can talk more if there's.

[00:51:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:51:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, definitely.

[00:51:14] [SPEAKER_01]: So this was different because, because Michael Hubbard's a real person.

[00:51:17] [SPEAKER_01]: He's no longer with us.

[00:51:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Sadly, he, he died, but, um, the Sohum, the Sohum murders were 20 years ago now.

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's, it's an interesting case to revisit, um, and a harrowing experience having to research

[00:51:27] [SPEAKER_01]: it and see what actually happened to understand the character.

[00:51:30] [SPEAKER_01]: So now Michael Hubbard, there's not a lot about him online.

[00:51:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but he, he struck me as, uh, is quite a private person.

[00:51:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know the truth around that, but I was able to find a small amount of detail about

[00:51:41] [SPEAKER_01]: where he came from.

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_01]: So it raised some questions in my mind, playing a real person.

[00:51:45] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't want to impersonate that individual.

[00:51:47] [SPEAKER_01]: You want to portray them honestly and as closely as you can for anybody who knows the trial

[00:51:52] [SPEAKER_01]: and knows the person, but it's difficult when you haven't got that much information.

[00:51:54] [SPEAKER_01]: So a lot of what I had to do came from the text and the direction that I had.

[00:52:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_01]: So it, it couldn't come from real life interviews where I see him speaking and see him moving.

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't pick up any of those mannerisms like somebody on the, somebody who's in the

[00:52:11] [SPEAKER_01]: crown would be able to look at the King and see what the crown, see what the King does

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_01]: to imitate the King.

[00:52:15] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, he does the thing with the pocket and the, and the sleeve when he gets out the

[00:52:18] [SPEAKER_01]: car, but you can't do that when there's no footage of the person.

[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_01]: So I had to mine the text as usual and, and do my research on the trial and actually see

[00:52:28] [SPEAKER_01]: the, what words did this person say?

[00:52:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And the interesting thing about Michael Hubbard was he was the most flamboyant of the, the,

[00:52:35] [SPEAKER_01]: the barristers in that particular trial.

[00:52:37] [SPEAKER_01]: He quoted words of a song, for example, he said, I might quote the lines of that song.

[00:52:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Please release me.

[00:52:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Let me go.

[00:52:44] [SPEAKER_01]: So how would he say that was a question in my mind.

[00:52:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:52:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Why would he say that?

[00:52:48] [SPEAKER_01]: He's trying to appeal to the human nature of the jury because I was the, I was, I was

[00:52:54] [SPEAKER_01]: defending one of the accused.

[00:52:56] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's a very interesting one to approach.

[00:52:58] [SPEAKER_01]: But when I think about it, a lot of it, I had to really consider why would he be saying

[00:53:06] [SPEAKER_01]: those sorts of things in a, in such a high profile trial?

[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's purely because there had to be a belief that the person who was being accused wasn't

[00:53:17] [SPEAKER_01]: fully guilty.

[00:53:18] [SPEAKER_01]: He was the defense of Maxine Carr, who was, she perverted the course of justice in the end.

[00:53:22] [SPEAKER_01]: She was the one who lied for the murderer, Ian Huntley.

[00:53:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And my job there was to believe that she had been manipulated by him.

[00:53:29] [SPEAKER_01]: So I had to go with that.

[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Got it.

[00:53:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Very important job.

[00:53:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:53:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Very good.

[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Now you are someone who is really good at networking.

[00:53:37] [SPEAKER_02]: It got into you or you got trained in directly to that with working experience.

[00:53:43] [SPEAKER_02]: But you really did this film, the example within 48 hours, grabbing people and, you know,

[00:53:50] [SPEAKER_02]: making sure that in one boat and then making sure they know their job and everyone making

[00:53:55] [SPEAKER_02]: their part believe that, you know, okay, this is your job.

[00:53:58] [SPEAKER_02]: This is your job.

[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_02]: This is your job.

[00:54:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And you all know that job at the same time.

[00:54:03] [SPEAKER_02]: It's getting done in a proper way.

[00:54:06] [SPEAKER_02]: So something that you get people in, and then you tell them, okay, this is what we are going

[00:54:12] [SPEAKER_02]: to do.

[00:54:12] [SPEAKER_02]: But getting that executed is really hard thing.

[00:54:15] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, we think because, you know, when, when it comes to independent filmmakers, they

[00:54:19] [SPEAKER_02]: think this is going to happen or this is going to work the way they thought.

[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:54:24] [SPEAKER_02]: But once they do that thing and when the whole thing happened, that's where you think, oh,

[00:54:29] [SPEAKER_02]: this is not the way I imagined.

[00:54:32] [SPEAKER_02]: This happening for you, where you, what you thought or you believed happened and it got

[00:54:37] [SPEAKER_02]: executed and it looked the way the judges were looking for to honor you with the award,

[00:54:42] [SPEAKER_02]: you know?

[00:54:43] [SPEAKER_02]: So how was this process of filming?

[00:54:47] [SPEAKER_02]: You getting a call from someone to an idea and then making a film until the time you

[00:54:52] [SPEAKER_02]: wanted her.

[00:54:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Tell us about that whole process.

[00:54:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:54:56] [SPEAKER_01]: So it all came about because of a networking event.

[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I went to, uh, went to a local networking event, the town over from me in Northampton.

[00:55:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And, um, there was a speaker on that night called Kat White, very, um, a very successful

[00:55:09] [SPEAKER_01]: up and coming producer, writer, performer, um, done some incredible work so far.

[00:55:15] [SPEAKER_01]: So I wanted to hear her speak and to learn.

[00:55:17] [SPEAKER_01]: And we ended up having a conversation afterwards, a group of us and, and, um, Kat turned to me

[00:55:22] [SPEAKER_01]: and said, there's so much talent in this room.

[00:55:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I wonder what we could make.

[00:55:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I said, well, let's do it.

[00:55:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I said, maybe we could just pull something together and we could create something collectively

[00:55:33] [SPEAKER_01]: here.

[00:55:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And the organizer of the event, Becky heard this and she said, well, maybe we should do

[00:55:38] [SPEAKER_01]: it as a 48 hour film challenge.

[00:55:40] [SPEAKER_01]: So all of a sudden we had this 48 hour film challenge.

[00:55:43] [SPEAKER_01]: We got an email the next day from her.

[00:55:45] [SPEAKER_01]: It's happening in May.

[00:55:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to start publicizing it and having everything going.

[00:55:49] [SPEAKER_01]: So we had about a month to consider it.

[00:55:51] [SPEAKER_01]: So that then made me think, well, I've collected all these details from lots of different people

[00:55:55] [SPEAKER_01]: at this networking event.

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to, I'm going to send a message to all of them on Instagram.

[00:56:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, hey everybody, we're doing a 48 hour film challenge.

[00:56:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Who wants to be on my team?

[00:56:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And some people put their hands up, which was fantastic.

[00:56:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:56:08] [SPEAKER_01]: So, so I had two guys that had the same camera that we'd met at a different networking

[00:56:11] [SPEAKER_01]: event.

[00:56:12] [SPEAKER_01]: So they came along.

[00:56:13] [SPEAKER_01]: There were some actors that wanted to be involved.

[00:56:16] [SPEAKER_01]: There was a writer who wanted to be involved.

[00:56:17] [SPEAKER_01]: And, and we started, I started lining everybody up then.

[00:56:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Here's the expectations.

[00:56:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Here's what I want to achieve.

[00:56:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Five to seven minute film.

[00:56:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Something really spectacular that people won't believe has been filmed in 48 hours because

[00:56:30] [SPEAKER_01]: we didn't have the brief.

[00:56:30] [SPEAKER_01]: We didn't know what we would have to make a film about.

[00:56:33] [SPEAKER_01]: You only get that at the beginning of the challenge.

[00:56:35] [SPEAKER_01]: So at the start of the 48 hours, we got the brief that said, a killer lesson.

[00:56:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's all it was.

[00:56:42] [SPEAKER_01]: We went, well, what does a killer lesson mean?

[00:56:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Does that mean school?

[00:56:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Does that mean a really great lesson, a killer lesson?

[00:56:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:56:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Does it mean that?

[00:56:50] [SPEAKER_01]: So there's so many different meanings.

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And we ended up on this idea that there was going to be a teacher teaching some killers

[00:56:55] [SPEAKER_01]: how to kill.

[00:56:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what we ended up with.

[00:56:58] [SPEAKER_01]: So it spawned from an idea that blossomed into an event that went out to a wide amount of

[00:57:05] [SPEAKER_01]: people.

[00:57:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:57:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And my job in that was to ensure that I communicated effectively with the people who wanted to

[00:57:11] [SPEAKER_01]: be on board by having a Zoom meeting, doing some team building with them.

[00:57:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I lined up a great location for us through a friend of mine that I've known for many years.

[00:57:24] [SPEAKER_01]: The location is so good.

[00:57:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's a friend of mine.

[00:57:29] [SPEAKER_01]: His parents own that place.

[00:57:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And I said, hey, we're going to shoot a film.

[00:57:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Is there any chance that you might let us use your house?

[00:57:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And they said, yes.

[00:57:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.

[00:57:39] [SPEAKER_01]: So if you look carefully, you can see they're very private people.

[00:57:43] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not going to mention them by name.

[00:57:44] [SPEAKER_01]: But if you look, you can see the artwork of the owner that's around the wall.

[00:57:49] [SPEAKER_01]: So I said to her, location artwork, you can see it all around the walls.

[00:57:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just beautiful.

[00:57:52] [SPEAKER_01]: So there were a few things, getting people excited about it by having a stunning location

[00:57:57] [SPEAKER_01]: to shoot in, doing some team building, communicating regularly throughout the whole thing, giving

[00:58:01] [SPEAKER_01]: a bit of a countdown, just letting people know what the expectations are, just treating

[00:58:05] [SPEAKER_01]: it as a professional thing and you get professional results.

[00:58:08] [SPEAKER_01]: It's such a good experience.

[00:58:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:58:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:58:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And this is one part I learned.

[00:58:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's important because it works to every new filmmaker or one who's looking to

[00:58:17] [SPEAKER_02]: having something professionally done will give you professional results.

[00:58:22] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, where you think the budget is the issue.

[00:58:25] [SPEAKER_02]: But believe me, if you are looking to take chances, try to get it professionally done because

[00:58:29] [SPEAKER_02]: it will give you results.

[00:58:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Because the way this film was shot, the way the first shot was there, you know, the guy

[00:58:35] [SPEAKER_02]: was, you know, the tape and that guy was trying to get himself out.

[00:58:40] [SPEAKER_02]: It was like, am I watching the short film?

[00:58:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Is it something that independent makers are doing?

[00:58:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And if these guys are doing this, these guys have really good camera person, you know,

[00:58:50] [SPEAKER_02]: some good DOPs with them to shoot, shooting this whole thing together.

[00:58:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And then I read about this thing was managing 48 hours.

[00:58:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like everyone is expert in what they are doing because that's how it works.

[00:59:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Even if the actors are performing and camera angle is not good and the DOP doesn't know where

[00:59:07] [SPEAKER_02]: to put the camera because he's also the new one.

[00:59:10] [SPEAKER_02]: The film really struggles throughout because then the performances doesn't get noticed because

[00:59:15] [SPEAKER_02]: the camera and the angle and it's a combined thing.

[00:59:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And it adds off to you guys the way you did it.

[00:59:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And you made sure that it really looked good.

[00:59:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And the one message that I don't empathize with the example, that was the thing because

[00:59:31] [SPEAKER_02]: you did and we saw what happened to you.

[00:59:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm okay.

[00:59:38] [SPEAKER_02]: That was a good shot.

[00:59:39] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, you're just falling off into the pool.

[00:59:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's good fun.

[00:59:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:59:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And that was that was sideways for the who said that.

[00:59:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:59:50] [SPEAKER_02]: That was the first time I heard someone saying that.

[00:59:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:59:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:59:55] [SPEAKER_01]: That was her choice.

[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_01]: It was because we didn't have time to write and learn dialogue.

[00:59:59] [SPEAKER_01]: So most of it was in the voice.

[01:00:00] [SPEAKER_01]: We had we had the beats written down of what needed to happen within each shot.

[01:00:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:00:05] [SPEAKER_01]: But we had a we had a good script written by Anna Plotek.

[01:00:10] [SPEAKER_01]: She she put together a really good story based on what we created together, but we didn't

[01:00:14] [SPEAKER_01]: have time to learn it.

[01:00:15] [SPEAKER_01]: So we had to have a rough idea as to what had to happen in between each.

[01:00:17] [SPEAKER_01]: But then there was freedom and creativity just came out.

[01:00:20] [SPEAKER_01]: So stuff happened that we just weren't expecting to happen.

[01:00:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:00:23] [SPEAKER_01]: And that was incredible.

[01:00:25] [SPEAKER_01]: We knew some of the stuff that had to happen, such as there had to be a moment where something

[01:00:28] [SPEAKER_01]: goes wrong.

[01:00:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And there has to be a moment where that that then leads to some sort of consequence of

[01:00:33] [SPEAKER_01]: it going wrong, which all happened.

[01:00:35] [SPEAKER_01]: But really, we just had to make it up.

[01:00:37] [SPEAKER_01]: That was really great.

[01:00:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And shout out to Luke Worrell, who was our director and to Jordan Sclater, who was our

[01:00:43] [SPEAKER_01]: DOP.

[01:00:44] [SPEAKER_01]: He's fantastic.

[01:00:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Just he's a lighting geek.

[01:00:46] [SPEAKER_01]: He loves lighting.

[01:00:47] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's why it looks so good.

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Great job.

[01:00:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Josh is going to help a lot of people the way you think of any character.

[01:00:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And now we are looking to get something out of you, which is rapid fire.

[01:00:58] [SPEAKER_02]: OK, so this is rapid fire.

[01:01:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's do it.

[01:01:00] [SPEAKER_02]: First on acting.

[01:01:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

[01:01:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm ready.

[01:01:02] [SPEAKER_02]: First acting role.

[01:01:03] [SPEAKER_02]: OK, OK, OK.

[01:01:04] [SPEAKER_02]: OK, let's start.

[01:01:05] [SPEAKER_02]: OK.

[01:01:05] [SPEAKER_02]: First acting role you ever had.

[01:01:09] [SPEAKER_01]: It was a soldier in the school play.

[01:01:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Got it.

[01:01:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Most challenging characters you have portrayed.

[01:01:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Abraham Goode in The Honourable Wife.

[01:01:21] [SPEAKER_01]: That was one of my first short films.

[01:01:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Good.

[01:01:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Matter acting or classical training?

[01:01:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I think you need to have a bit of both.

[01:01:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Plus adding your own specific ways.

[01:01:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Good.

[01:01:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Favorite acting exercise or warm up?

[01:01:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I really like.

[01:01:40] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a chair exercise where you can do it with two people and it's simply yes or no.

[01:01:45] [SPEAKER_01]: One person said yes.

[01:01:46] [SPEAKER_01]: The other person says no.

[01:01:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And you're trying to get them to sit on the chair.

[01:01:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Very good.

[01:01:50] [SPEAKER_02]: That's good.

[01:01:51] [SPEAKER_02]: That's good.

[01:01:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Best acting tip you've learned?

[01:01:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Best acting tip I've learned.

[01:01:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Know everything you need to know well enough to relax.

[01:02:02] [SPEAKER_01]: OK.

[01:02:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Favorite actor or actress?

[01:02:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Gary Oldman.

[01:02:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Stage or screen?

[01:02:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh.

[01:02:11] [SPEAKER_01]: You started 10 years.

[01:02:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Screen.

[01:02:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I've got to say screen.

[01:02:14] [SPEAKER_01]: It's screen.

[01:02:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Screen.

[01:02:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Got it.

[01:02:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Favorite script you've ever read?

[01:02:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Favorite script I've ever read.

[01:02:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Whiplash.

[01:02:22] [SPEAKER_02]: OK.

[01:02:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:02:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Biggest acting.

[01:02:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:02:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Biggest acting pet peeve.

[01:02:29] [SPEAKER_01]: How long have we got?

[01:02:34] [SPEAKER_01]: How long have we got?

[01:02:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Projects that don't get finished that you pour your soul into.

[01:02:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:02:41] [SPEAKER_02]: It's writers throughout the career.

[01:02:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's horrible.

[01:02:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:02:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:02:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Role you've always wanted to play?

[01:02:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Fagan in Oliver Twist.

[01:02:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Oliver Twist.

[01:02:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Correct.

[01:02:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:02:54] [SPEAKER_02]: OK.

[01:02:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Most inspiring director you've worked with?

[01:02:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Most inspiring director I've worked with.

[01:03:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh.

[01:03:04] [SPEAKER_01]: OK.

[01:03:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's a tricky one because there have been some really, really good ones.

[01:03:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Name one.

[01:03:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Just one.

[01:03:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's go with.

[01:03:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I've really enjoyed working with Martin Todd.

[01:03:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Mystery of Mystery.

[01:03:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Great.

[01:03:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Go to way to memorize lines?

[01:03:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Break it down.

[01:03:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Get the intention.

[01:03:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Repeat, repeat, repeat.

[01:03:26] [SPEAKER_01]: OK.

[01:03:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Most memorable audition experience?

[01:03:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Most memorable audition experience?

[01:03:34] [SPEAKER_01]: It was probably for when I was 14 and I knew that it was for the Royal Abbott Hall.

[01:03:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And I really desperately wanted the part.

[01:03:42] [SPEAKER_01]: So I threw everything into it.

[01:03:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, great.

[01:03:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Way to know that.

[01:03:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Character you'd love to revisit?

[01:03:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Character I'd love to revisit?

[01:03:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I'd really like to revisit Peter Landry again.

[01:03:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Mystery of Mystery.

[01:03:56] [SPEAKER_01]: A bit.

[01:03:56] [SPEAKER_01]: OK.

[01:03:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Got it.

[01:03:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:03:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Got it.

[01:03:59] [SPEAKER_02]: That's a good thing.

[01:04:00] [SPEAKER_02]: OK.

[01:04:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Last TV show you've binge watched?

[01:04:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Last TV show I binge watched?

[01:04:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Community.

[01:04:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Community.

[01:04:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Just watched it probably for the third time completely.

[01:04:10] [SPEAKER_01]: It's one of my favorites.

[01:04:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.

[01:04:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Tell me about, just going out of this, what's your thought on The Last Kingdom?

[01:04:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Last Kingdom?

[01:04:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I love The Last Kingdom.

[01:04:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:04:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Last Kingdom is superb.

[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go back and watch it all again.

[01:04:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.

[01:04:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:04:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm watching it.

[01:04:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm in this.

[01:04:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:04:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Just watching.

[01:04:26] [SPEAKER_02]: That's why I came up.

[01:04:27] [SPEAKER_02]: This thought came up.

[01:04:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm in the fifth season at this moment.

[01:04:30] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's what I...

[01:04:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's good.

[01:04:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:04:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And there's a movie at the end of it as well, which is really great.

[01:04:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Good way to finish it.

[01:04:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I put it in the list now.

[01:04:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Netflix.

[01:04:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's very good.

[01:04:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Role you are most proud of?

[01:04:45] [SPEAKER_02]: The character or the role you are most proud of?

[01:04:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Character role I'm most proud of?

[01:04:53] [SPEAKER_01]: It was quite a small one, but I'm going to say Sid Fish.

[01:04:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

[01:04:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I did a film called Fortune Favors the Fantabulous.

[01:04:59] [SPEAKER_01]: It's on Channel 4 at the moment.

[01:05:00] [SPEAKER_01]: You can stream it.

[01:05:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's a really good role.

[01:05:06] [SPEAKER_01]: It was small, but I'm the antagonist.

[01:05:08] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm really pleased with the way that I played it because you don't like him.

[01:05:14] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's a great thing.

[01:05:16] [SPEAKER_01]: You're not supposed to like the guy.

[01:05:17] [SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, you almost feel sorry for him.

[01:05:20] [SPEAKER_01]: He's just a weasel.

[01:05:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[01:05:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[01:05:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I was going to talk on that, but we really talked a lot.

[01:05:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And I thought we need to cover it up.

[01:05:28] [SPEAKER_02]: That's why.

[01:05:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess it's a lot the way that you described, you know.

[01:05:32] [SPEAKER_02]: So we call a lot of content covered.

[01:05:34] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's why we need to think that, okay, I guess we need to make sure that everything

[01:05:39] [SPEAKER_02]: gets covered, you know.

[01:05:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, indeed.

[01:05:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Dream actor to work with.

[01:05:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Dream actor to work with.

[01:05:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow.

[01:05:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you know, I'm going to go to my favorite one.

[01:05:50] [SPEAKER_01]: If I could do a scene with Gary Oldman, I'd be so happy.

[01:05:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:05:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Favorite genre to act in?

[01:05:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Favorite genre.

[01:05:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I like drama.

[01:06:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Drama.

[01:06:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:06:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Drama is great.

[01:06:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Best piece of advice you've ever received throughout the career?

[01:06:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Ah, best piece of advice.

[01:06:14] [SPEAKER_01]: When you think you know the lines well enough, keep learning them.

[01:06:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Or something to that effect.

[01:06:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Like going from Mark, Mark Pegg, which he must have learned elsewhere.

[01:06:23] [SPEAKER_01]: But he puts it so much better than me because he's great.

[01:06:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Your mentor.

[01:06:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[01:06:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I guess.

[01:06:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[01:06:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Morning person or night out?

[01:06:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, say again.

[01:06:34] [SPEAKER_01]: There's some background noise here.

[01:06:35] [SPEAKER_01]: It's really annoying.

[01:06:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Morning person or night out?

[01:06:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh.

[01:06:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Nights.

[01:06:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I like nighttime.

[01:06:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:06:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Good.

[01:06:44] [SPEAKER_02]: One thing you can't live without on set?

[01:06:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Water and a chair.

[01:06:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Water and a chair.

[01:06:54] [SPEAKER_02]: A chair.

[01:06:55] [SPEAKER_02]: A chair.

[01:06:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[01:06:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Favorite way to unwind after a long day of filming or doing anything?

[01:07:01] [SPEAKER_02]: What's your thing of unwinding that?

[01:07:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Would I get extra points by saying drilling the next day's script?

[01:07:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's you now.

[01:07:12] [SPEAKER_02]: So you don't get...

[01:07:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I like to make sure that I'm ready for the next day.

[01:07:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I know it sounds sad.

[01:07:17] [SPEAKER_01]: No, I like a good meal.

[01:07:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe get together with some other cast members.

[01:07:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Talk about what we did throughout the day.

[01:07:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And just maybe do some get to know each other.

[01:07:24] [SPEAKER_01]: If we've got that opportunity, that's always nice.

[01:07:26] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I do like to make sure that if I've got something the next day, I'm drilling the script.

[01:07:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:07:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I got it.

[01:07:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's the creative you, you know?

[01:07:34] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the creative part of yourself.

[01:07:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Like you're looking for the things.

[01:07:37] [SPEAKER_02]: What's next?

[01:07:37] [SPEAKER_02]: What's next?

[01:07:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Tell me about...

[01:07:39] [SPEAKER_02]: This is one add-on question that you got.

[01:07:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Is how you unwind yourself when you're completely burned off doing what you love to do?

[01:07:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe when I've had enough of doing it.

[01:07:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:07:52] [SPEAKER_01]: You're like exhausted.

[01:07:54] [SPEAKER_01]: When I'm exhausted from it.

[01:07:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I like to...

[01:07:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I've got a big 100-inch screen downstairs.

[01:08:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's connected to my PlayStation.

[01:08:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And I like to play video games.

[01:08:03] [SPEAKER_01]: In quiet.

[01:08:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I like to be peaceful and quiet with a nice cold drink.

[01:08:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll sit and play some video games.

[01:08:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:08:08] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the way you cool yourself down.

[01:08:10] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a great way.

[01:08:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:08:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[01:08:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[01:08:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's good to know.

[01:08:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

[01:08:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much, Martin, for answering all those questions.

[01:08:16] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, the rapid fire.

[01:08:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I just started it out through three months back.

[01:08:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And it was getting some good response.

[01:08:22] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's why this is going good.

[01:08:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much for sharing all your advice and expertise throughout your journey.

[01:08:29] [SPEAKER_02]: You are someone who...

[01:08:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I can think of a guy who did amateur theater while doing job for 10 years.

[01:08:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Then he took a decision after 10 years to know.

[01:08:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Is this what am I looking to do for a long time?

[01:08:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Or is this who I will be remembered for a very long time?

[01:08:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Is this what I want to be after I'm 69, 79?

[01:08:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Am I doing...

[01:08:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, these are the questions, I guess, that appeared in front of you.

[01:08:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Where are you loving what you're doing?

[01:09:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Because there may be no you if this thing strikes to you.

[01:09:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is, I'm talking about the COVID.

[01:09:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And maybe the fear of, you know, am I still loving what I'm doing?

[01:09:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Or is this the way it should be?

[01:09:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, just do the amateur theater.

[01:09:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And the decision of that you took is to join the acting academy.

[01:09:19] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it may be anything else.

[01:09:21] [SPEAKER_02]: But the decision of going to make sure that you learn the craft in a way.

[01:09:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And what happened to you after that is unbelievable.

[01:09:29] [SPEAKER_02]: The way you construct yourself today and the way you approach towards things,

[01:09:33] [SPEAKER_02]: the characters, the way you explain throughout.

[01:09:35] [SPEAKER_02]: About one hour, 30 minutes, what we can say is amazing.

[01:09:39] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it shows how good are you and how talented.

[01:09:46] [SPEAKER_02]: At the same time, how hungry are you towards your thing?

[01:09:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, towards the scripts and the writings and the overall filmmaking

[01:09:54] [SPEAKER_02]: and acting and direction and writing, that that hunger that you have

[01:09:58] [SPEAKER_02]: is making sure that you use every second of your lifetime in this field

[01:10:03] [SPEAKER_02]: that you make sure that you network, you spend time with casting directors,

[01:10:08] [SPEAKER_02]: you network with artists, you spend time on your writing,

[01:10:10] [SPEAKER_02]: you spend time on the film, the craft, the actor, the writer, then the character.

[01:10:16] [SPEAKER_02]: So you make sure that whole time is spent what you are doing.

[01:10:19] [SPEAKER_02]: At the same time, you have something that makes sure that you get the cash flow running

[01:10:26] [SPEAKER_02]: properly for you and your family.

[01:10:28] [SPEAKER_02]: But that's a huge, you know, responsibility at the same time

[01:10:31] [SPEAKER_02]: to go this free with the field that you are in.

[01:10:34] [SPEAKER_02]: That's commendable, you know, the way you crafted your journey throughout this.

[01:10:38] [SPEAKER_02]: It's something that people should not give up is the thought that we can get.

[01:10:42] [SPEAKER_02]: It's keep on trying, keep on trying.

[01:10:44] [SPEAKER_02]: It's one day at a time, one day at a time.

[01:10:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And then take a jump where you think now it's the time to take the jump.

[01:10:51] [SPEAKER_02]: But do not give up.

[01:10:53] [SPEAKER_02]: It is going to happen.

[01:10:54] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what you said.

[01:10:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Give yourself time.

[01:10:57] [SPEAKER_02]: It is going to happen.

[01:10:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Make sure that you value that particular phase.

[01:11:01] [SPEAKER_02]: You respect that particular situation of your life.

[01:11:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Do not give up.

[01:11:05] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I learned from your story.

[01:11:07] [SPEAKER_02]: This is a story of Martin Spandler, who is an actor in the UK.

[01:11:12] [SPEAKER_02]: He's worked in a lot of films and he started as someone who was keen about acting,

[01:11:17] [SPEAKER_02]: who was looking to be the part, be the lead of that thing.

[01:11:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And slowly, slowly he got into it.

[01:11:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And he had a big fall where he lost the belief that he was not going to be an actor or anything

[01:11:26] [SPEAKER_02]: and just start doing some jobs and all.

[01:11:28] [SPEAKER_02]: But look at him now, the way he has crafted his journey,

[01:11:32] [SPEAKER_02]: the way he has developed himself in the new version of him.

[01:11:36] [SPEAKER_02]: It's commendable and it's kind of motivation at the same time, inspirational.

[01:11:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

[01:11:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, Martin.

[01:11:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for your time.

[01:11:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And now tell me about this is the final part of the thing.

[01:11:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Throughout this journey and someone like you who is going through something like this,

[01:11:53] [SPEAKER_02]: someone like you who is starting out or is in the middle of the phase where they're working,

[01:11:57] [SPEAKER_02]: but they are not getting any kind of response from the way they are performing or they're doing.

[01:12:02] [SPEAKER_02]: What advice you'd like to cue to someone who is entering or who is in the field and struggling

[01:12:08] [SPEAKER_02]: in the acting and writing field?

[01:12:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, really, really important.

[01:12:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Work on your mindset.

[01:12:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Just do things that strengthen you day to day.

[01:12:19] [SPEAKER_01]: It can be very easy to go to social media and look at what other people and hope that the connection starts.

[01:12:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I still do that and have to make sure that I'm pulling myself away and saying,

[01:12:28] [SPEAKER_01]: no, this is not helpful.

[01:12:31] [SPEAKER_01]: It can be really easy to fall into bad practices such as complaining.

[01:12:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, things aren't happening for me.

[01:12:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Turn your mindset around.

[01:12:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Things will happen.

[01:12:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Things are happening.

[01:12:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I need to do something today.

[01:12:42] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, even if it's just one thing where you look up a Shakespeare sonnet and you read

[01:12:47] [SPEAKER_01]: a Shakespeare sonnet, for example, that's something.

[01:12:52] [SPEAKER_01]: So another thing is something that really helped me.

[01:12:55] [SPEAKER_01]: It can be easy to go into Facebook groups and actors groups where you're looking to make those connections

[01:13:01] [SPEAKER_01]: and you've got the best intentions, but there are people complaining about the fact that they're actors.

[01:13:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my goodness.

[01:13:08] [SPEAKER_01]: It took me such a long time to get that belief and confidence to do it that I will never complain when I'm doing it.

[01:13:13] [SPEAKER_01]: So don't complain when you're doing it because you're doing it.

[01:13:16] [SPEAKER_01]: You're there.

[01:13:17] [SPEAKER_01]: If you're learning a text or you've written, you might have written a synopsis for a film idea that you have or a play that you've got,

[01:13:24] [SPEAKER_01]: or you're doing something that's a one person performance.

[01:13:27] [SPEAKER_01]: If you're doing it, don't complain.

[01:13:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Train your mindset.

[01:13:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Resilience will come and everything else will follow if you are, if you hold that belief and you continue to practice resilience and gratitude.

[01:13:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

[01:13:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much, Martin.

[01:13:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for this valuable advice.

[01:13:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess more than this advice, the way that you told your story throughout this podcast is it's kind of learning experience to the new artist

[01:13:51] [SPEAKER_02]: and to the new actor who's looking to be a good actor and someone who wants to build a good career for 30, 40 years.

[01:14:01] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot to learn from this podcast.

[01:14:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for your time.

[01:14:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I hope that you have the beautiful evening after this and you enjoy your time.

[01:14:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I know there's a lot into your schedule, but special thanks to Vela Woznik, the acting talent agency who signed us up

[01:14:19] [SPEAKER_02]: and make sure that we guys do something, create you that, get something content for the actors, new actors, up and coming artists.

[01:14:28] [SPEAKER_02]: So something that is really helpful for this acting industry.

[01:14:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for your time.

[01:14:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for being here.

[01:14:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much for sharing all the expertise that you got in 2024.

[01:14:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And there's a lot loading for you.

[01:14:40] [SPEAKER_02]: But till then, thank you so much.

[01:14:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Ajay.

[01:14:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Real pleasure.

[01:14:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for having me.

[01:14:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[01:14:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much for having me.

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[01:15:35] [SPEAKER_02]: This was Martin Spandilov on CreateYourAudios.in Podcast.

[01:15:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I am Ajay Tambay, the host and producer of this show.

[01:15:41] [SPEAKER_02]: And now I'm signing off.